COVID Vax/Discrimination: Is Healthy Debate Possible?

June 10, 2021

How the current climate makes discussions about hard, controversial issues almost impossible.

The philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer said, “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” This dynamic is very much on our minds as we continue our campaign to ensure that autoimmune patients are not discriminated against in the quest to vaccinate the population against COVID. ANH has received significant blowback from this campaign from those who vehemently disagree with what they view as an “anti-vaxxer” stance. This tendency to simplify difficult, complicated, nuanced issues into either/or propositions does us all a disservice.

Over the last few weeks, we’ve been running a campaign calling for those with medical reasons for not getting a COVID vaccine not to be discriminated against by civil society. This is based on data that those with autoimmune conditions, or at risk for developing autoimmunity, could be at greater risk of serious, life-threatening adverse events due to the similarities between the COVID virus spike protein and human cells. We have not argued against the vaccine. We believe that those who choose not to vaccinate for legitimate medical reasons should not be discriminated against by businesses, schools, and other entities and that there should be meaningful informed consent about the risks and benefits to receiving a vaccination for COVID.

This campaign has generated many uncivil responses and personal attacks. This response is part of a larger effort to silence those who ask legitimate questions about the safety of COVID vaccines, or any other vaccine.

We have also received feedback from members who want us to take the campaign further, since we are focusing on patients with autoimmunity or at risk for autoimmunity: “don’t we all need an exemption?” some ask. The issue is, however, that there are not mandates for the COVID vaccine to necessitate an exemption—yet. For now, we’re sticking to the science, and that science is telling us that the risk/benefit calculation for patients with autoimmunity is substantially different than those without autoimmune diseases.

The vaccination issue is a prime example of a complex matter being portrayed as black and white: either all vaccines are safe and effective for everyone all the time, or you’re a fringe “anti-vaxxer.” This binary categorization misses the nuanced reality.

We’ve seen a similar dynamic play out in the Wuhan lab story. What was callously dismissed by many in the mainstream media as a conspiracy theory—the idea that the COVID virus could have escaped from a virology lab in Wuhan—has now gained traction, with President Biden calling for further investigation into the origins of the pandemic.

This article provides a good summary of the twists and turns this story took over the past year. In short, at the very outset of the pandemic, Senator Tom Cotton questioned the veracity of the Chinese government’s explanation linking the virus’s outbreak to a seafood market. The media sensationalized Sen. Cotton’s comments, falsely claiming that he was saying the virus was deliberately engineered as a weapon by China and that this claim was “debunked.”

The point is that people who questioned the origin of the virus were maligned and put into the “tin foil hat” category by the media when it was a perfectly reasonable position to say, “We don’t know where the virus originated, and it could be a lab leak.”

There are more examples we detailed in previous coverage. For instance, one “fact-checker” questioned the reliability of using the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to demonstrate the real dangers of the COVID vaccines yet failed to mention that the CDC routinely use VAERS data to conduct its own studies and post-market safety surveillance on vaccines.

It is a problem that complex, nuanced issues are oversimplified into pro- or anti- stances. It may be less messy, but it does not reflect reality. We at ANH are not against vaccination. We also cannot deny that vaccines do cause harm to some individuals. Our position is that people who make a choice not to receive a medical procedure to protect their health should not be discriminated against by the private sector. We will continue to bring attention to this issue and to fight to make sure this discrimination does not occur.

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52 responses to “COVID Vax/Discrimination: Is Healthy Debate Possible?”

  1. Jamie Lewallen says:

    I think the blowback comes from your stance that people have a right for a choice not to receive a medical procedure to protect their health (your words) when in all actuality it protects the health of others (herd immunity needing to be at 70%). That’s the difference.

  2. Shirley Owens says:

    Thank you. I fit this category… can’t do the vax.

  3. Cecelia A Wisdom says:

    I agree. At the beginning, I thought the virus was manmade but was reluctant to promote it. I do know people who can’t take the vacs because of a serious health problem. I do believe that as many people as possible should get the vaccination to give the total population a chance.

  4. James Cook says:

    Any rational person examining the actual epidemiological, clinical, and historical evidence, as well as orthodox vaccinology and the actual ingredients in vaccines, would conclude that the human race is in the grip of mass insanity with its blind and destructive belief in the safety and efficacy of vaccines. I find this article pathetic, as it buys into that insanity and finds the need to apologize for arguing that some people should be exempt from the vaccine poison. In a sane world, such poison would never have even been imagined. Do you really believe that vaccines have an upside, or are you simply pandering to the common prejudice in order to “reach” people? Either way, those who claim to support natural medicine and still support vaccination in any way, shape or form are as much party to this ongoing medical genocide as the militant pro-vaxxers for whom vaccination is a holy sacrament necessary to save our bodies. The truth doesn’t need to apologize for or compromise itself. You can’t reason with those who refuse to think, especially when they use force to set the rules of debate. You can, however, stand firm against their strong-arm tactics no matter what names they call you. Then your unwavering courage might startle them into facing the possibility that they are wrong.

  5. Danny says:

    We must stand up to the deceitful, greedy, and harmful U.S. medical/insurance system. The current pandemic is just the next thing on the list of this criminal health organization in the U.S. it’s so obvious, and has been for decades. It’s puzzling why so many people choose to not think about what continues to go on. The situation is likely to become much worse if the people don’t stand up and say enough.

  6. Lori Thayer says:

    I would ask that you also include an anti-discrimination request for this who have had covid and now choose not to be vaccinated. Recent studies show that those who contracted covid, even if asymptomatic, have a stronger immune response to covid than do those who are vaccinated. And it had also been shown that those who have had covid have greater adverse reactions to the shot. So it makes no sense for anyone who has had covid to get a covid shot, either for their own well-being or for others.

  7. June says:

    You are wrong to stand up only for certain population regarding the so-called vaccines. The push is for everyone to receive as many of these experimental injectables causing genetic mutation as the ruling class wants. Their campaign of control and enslavement of humankind requires it. These so-called vaccines are intended to cull the population worldwide! Do you not see a problem here??

    Has there been a clear and complete disclosure by the medical cartel?????!!! so that an informed consent can be given by people willing to be guinea pigs? You do not see a problem here????

    Vaccine mandates violate basic human right of bodily autonomy! If you can’t control your own body and reject unwanted interventions, then YOU ARE a SLAVE! Exactly as they want you to be.
    Do you not see a problem here???????????

    You need a bit more courage. Of course you will be called anti-vaxers. Those who are brainwashed or on board with the culling agenda will call you that, to squash debate.
    This agenda is a huge far-reaching disaster and it will not do to object to a little bit here and a little bit there, while they make life impossible for those who will not submit!

  8. Kim Shipes says:

    Thank you for defending people with autoimmune issues. I know how to protect myself and do not want to be mandated to have a vaccination that could possibly have side effects or give me additional issues to deal with when I already am trying to feel better and help my autoimmune issue I have! Why do those that are convinced the vaccine makes them safe worry about the unvaccinated that may be doing so because they know their own health issues and do not want to take a chance with the unknown. I express people have choices because we know who the vulnerable are and they are being given the right to vaccinate.

  9. Theresa Taggart says:

    They should immediately halt this EXPERIMENTAL TRIAL! We have safe Therapeutics that we’re intentionally with held from us. Therefore forcing a ‘VACCINE’ that has killed and injured many thousands. Look at the website VAERS, and that is probably 1% of what is reported. This campaign will go down in history as theNEUREMBERG TRIAL 2,0 No one will escape from being held accountable

  10. Meg Freifeld says:

    Thank you so very much! I agree completely: having a calm discussion of anything to do with COVID-19 and the treatments and the vaccines at any level seems just about impossible, from the inter-personal, to inter-family, to international levels, yet so incredibly needed! The name-calling itself is terribly anti-science, yet seems quite effective as a discussion-stopping device. Thank you thank you thank you for pointing this out.

  11. Martin says:

    I for one support that those of us with existing viable critical thinking skills that chose not to be a lab rat for the covid rushed experimental vaccine and might I add with a healthy immune system should also NOT be forced or coerced into getting the vaccine. There are risks both known and unknown yet. What if I am one of those small percent who has a detrimental adverse reaction to the covid rdna vaccine? So I believe getting the vaccine and choosing to take that risks should be my decision and mine only. Not to mention the propaganda and mantra in society is that this will stop covid when the CDC itself say’s it does not guarantee not getting covid but less severe symptoms if you do contract covid !! So yes the truth always comes and will come out in the future be it 2, 10 or 20 years.

  12. Brkk says:

    Thank you!!
    I was totally home bound for two years with CFS/ME 2017-2019. I am finally living life again! I’ve read the vaccine could activate the underlying viruses and infections I had. The pro-vax/anti-vaxer says commentary says people like me are selfish and not thinking of the greater good. I CANNOT get that sick again. I’ve worked to hard to get well. I wear masks and am so careful!
    At some point I will need to travel to Asia for my business. I’m really concerned about whether I’ll be allowed in or not. Please continue your hard work! We need you!

  13. Jonathan Schult says:

    Healthy debate is not possible, since we antivaxxers are staunchly stubborn in our need for proof that we’re not just being used as guinea pigs, and the rest of the population just rolling up their sleeves and getting in line for it like so many sheep to the slaughter.

  14. greg Peterson says:

    An excellent and balanced stance on the vaccination issue! As much as anything, it’s a basic freedom issue!

  15. Krofter says:

    Don’t get caught up in the petty debates being used to divert us from the real agenda… eugenics by vaccine. Over half a billion in the US alone have been killed by the jabs and many more will die from pathogenic priming. https://secularheretic.substack.com/

  16. Arnold Gore says:

    It is sad ro hear even those cautioning on vaccines for all regardless, to acknowledge even though younger people will get little or no benefit from a vaccine for covid, they should get it anyway because of some community spread and a :herd immunity: that may never be achieved.

  17. Janet says:

    I would like for them to recognize “natural immunity” after having COVID-19.

  18. Ellen Segale says:

    Your lack support of those who don’t want an experimental shot other than declining for a medical condition is underwhelming, at best. Doesn’t the word experimental mean anything? Death and injuries have been unreported by MSM. There is still something called informed choice!

  19. Thank you for all that you do. I have an autoimmune disease and appreciate talking about exemptions. And having the opportunity to ask other questions as well and not being referred to as a “tin foil hat” wearer! Questions the answers! Always!

  20. Dee Koloski ND LAc says:

    What exactly do you mean by “discrimination?”

    In my medical opinion, all who can be vaccinated hopefully will be vaccinated to first protect themselves and second as a responsibility to help protect those in our community, such as autoimmune patients, who can not be vaccinated.

    All who are not vaccinated must wear masks when around others until the pandemic is resolved.

    As for “discrimination,” I fear the implication is all who choose not to be vaccinated (regardless of why) shall be allowed into any venue they please without taking a very simple precaution of properly wearing a mask to both protect themselves and others. Is this the intent of your writing?

  21. Sadly, the social media influencers who are campaigning against the vaccines are supposedly getting their info from Russian spoiler groups, who are just trying to throw a wrench into things & keep people at risk. I’m fully vaccinated with the Pfizer version, in late Feb & early March, as soon as my age group became eligible & other than a sore arm for a couple days (as with any vaccine) have had no trouble at all.

  22. Angel Hampton says:

    I appreciate your continued movement toward common sense & representation for those who live with compromised health.
    Thank you!

  23. ERAM says:

    No one should need an exemption to practice their right to bodily integrity. Your fatal flaw with this campaign is that it does not go far enough. Regardless of medical history, nobody should be forced to take a medicine they don’t want. Period.

  24. Rex says:

    It is a emergency experimental vaccine but not a real vaccine. It goes against all 10 points of the Nunburg Codes that came from Hitler’s trial.

  25. Betty Owen says:

    This has become such a devisive “campaign”–because I’ve chosen not to get the “jab,” I’m being left out of social gatherings hosted by long-time friends! And that’s just at the local/personal level! Becomes exponentially worse with threats of “passports” etc. The entire situation, in my opinion, has been lied about, controlled, mishandled, etc., etc. Ready to be over it!!

  26. Pasquariello SUSAN says:

    Health Discrimination – my body, my choice. The government nor big pharma have any business deciding what I put or don’t put in my body …

  27. Dianne Santos says:

    I’m 73 & not getting the so called “vaccine.” To me, my health & what I choose is my business only. This is America! What’s happening to freedom of choice?? This is experimental & not even FDA approved. Not that I think everything FDA approved is safe either. If I prefer to build my immune system, shouldn’t that be my choice. No matter if you are compromised or not, people in this country should be free to choose for themselves without being discriminated against.

  28. Vicki Sievers says:

    BRAVO. Excellent posting. Earlier this week I participated in what in-part became a noisy, unpleasant rally at a town hall meeting hosted by a U.S. Congressman. His invitation said “proof of vaccination” was required for entry. Further, the invitation claimed that Covid vaccines are FDA approved (not authorized for emergency use, as they are), and are “safe and effective.” His unconstitutional discrimination and the vaccine misinformation/debatable claim prompted the rally, which drew about 200 people. Had the congressman acted from a place of appreciation for the complexity of the issues, his meeting would not likely have been disrupted.

  29. Tony K says:

    “For now, we’re sticking to the science, and that science is telling us that the risk/benefit calculation for patients with autoimmunity is substantially different..”

    Science is already telling us that getting the jab after having Covid puts those individuals at higher risk for adverse effects. Please include those individuals in your efforts to protect us.

  30. Chris says:

    I have MS & have not received the vaccine. I don’t want to but I work as clerical staff at a hospital. I worry every day that they will mandate the vaccine or boosters yearly. I worry about losing my job if it becomes mandated. Thank you for the work you are doing to support those that would like to have a choice.
    Thank you 🙏

  31. Jeff says:

    Here’s my concern about the Covid-19 vaccine:

    Prove to me that it is both safe and effective. Show me incontrovertible, unadulterated, proof.
    It normally takes anywhere from 5 years to several decades for the pharmaceutical industry to develop a vaccine that is neither particularly safe, nor particularly effective. Yet I am suppose to suspend disbelief, ignore history, and fact, and just accept that they developed a vaccine that is both safe AND effective, and that they did so in 6 months. Yeah, right. My doctor said “well, you know, it is new technology”, as if this was a selling point. My reply, “Absolutely, it IS new technology. What do you think that means, that they are experts in it’s use and long-term effects, or that they are just pulling lies out of their asses, maybe falsifying test data, and causing us harm we won’t recognize for years or decades?”. He had no retort. So, despite my heart condition, and the harm their heart meds have done to others of my body’s systems, I will wait and see.

  32. Steven Dunn, Ph.D. says:

    Thank you ANH for your continued advocacy and leadership on behalf of the natural health community, helping those of us who value natural approaches to maintainig health be aware of the constant threats against our health freedoms, often emanting from special interests like Pharma and corrupt politicians who don’t have “health” as their first priority. Your articulation of the pro-Covid-19 vaccine propaganda campaign is spot on. People need to be reminded, or informed, that these are experimental EUA vaccines, utilizing novel technology never before used in human subjects, and lacking long-term safety studies. I would add that during the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine fiasco, the government pulled the vaccine after less than 100 reported deaths; VAERS currently lists over 4000 for Covid-19 vaccinations. No, this does not mean all these deaths are directly attributable to the vaccines, but we also know adverse reactions and deaths are underreported and it is statistically impossible that many of the tens of thousands of adverse events and over 4000 deaths cannot be attributed to these vaccines.
    As a natural health advocate and practitioner, and American citizen, we uphold each individual’s right to make informed choices about health. To mandate or enforce a Covid-19 vaccines literally violates the Nuremburg code which prophibits coercing experimental medical treatments. Mandates and “Passports” threaten to create a discriminatory, two-tiered society and clearly violate the constitution. In addition, this vaccine campaign abets the interests of global organizations like the World Economic Forum and their “Great Reset,” a vision of human life that most people would vehemently reject.
    I suspect much of the pushback you are receiving is from trolls working for Big Pharma and other interests. Sadly, most of the mainstream media is conveniently ignoring, dismissing, or censoring–with the help of Big Tech–natural healh approaches to Covid-19 immunity building and alternative treatments, issues regarding inflated “case counts” based on faulty PCR testing methods, inflated “death” counts based on an unannounced change in the normal method for counting deaths, and of course downplaying natural immunity. Recent articles and research papers show natural immnunity from previous infection and recovery is robust and sustained–not requiring vaccination.
    These vaccines are not safe. To make an informed choice requires that all arguments be aired openly; unfortunately, alternative views are being censored.
    Keep up the good work.

  33. Jeff says:

    I’ve read a couple of times that the EEOC has stated that an employer can force an employee to get the Covid-19 vaccination. It seems to me then that the EEOC has legalized extortion.

    If my employer walked into my cubicle with a revolver, flicked open the cylinder, showed me that it was empty, inserted a lone cartridge, spun the cylinder, then told me that in order to keep my job I had to put that gun’s barrel to my temple and pull the trigger, would the EEOC back that employer in this action? I am imagining that they would not, but I am not so sure.

    Forcing staff to take a vaccine that may or may not harm them, or face termination, is extortion, just the same as Russian-roulette.

  34. Rosey Gordon says:

    This and ,any other issues should be PRO CHOICE. It is YOUR BODY. You and ONLY you should be the master of it and make your own decision. Why is everyone so sensitive about discrimination for color and this is not Discrimination is discrimination.

  35. Steven Dunn, Ph.D. says:

    Note: this is a spell-checked version of my previous comment. Please use this version if you accept my comment.

    Thank you ANH for your continued advocacy and leadership on behalf of the natural health community, helping those of us who value natural approaches to maintaining health be aware of the constant threats against our health freedoms, often emanating from special interests like Pharma and corrupt politicians who don’t have “health” as their first priority. Your articulation of the pro-Covid-19 vaccine propaganda campaign is spot on. People need to be reminded, or informed, that these are experimental EUA vaccines, utilizing novel technology never before used in human subjects, and lacking long-term safety studies. I would add that during the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine fiasco, the government pulled the vaccine after less than 100 reported deaths; VAERS currently lists over 4000 for Covid-19 vaccinations. No, this does not mean all these deaths are directly attributable to the vaccines, but we also know adverse reactions and deaths are underreported and it is statistically impossible that many of the tens of thousands of adverse events and over 4000 deaths cannot be attributed to these vaccines.
    As a natural health advocate and practitioner, and American citizen, we uphold each individual’s right to make informed choices about health. To mandate or enforce a Covid-19 vaccines literally violates the Nuremburg code which prohibits coercing experimental medical treatments. Mandates and “Passports” threaten to create a discriminatory, two-tiered society and clearly violate the constitution. In addition, this vaccine campaign abets the interests of global organizations like the World Economic Forum and their “Great Reset,” a vision of human life that most people would vehemently reject.
    I suspect much of the pushback you are receiving is from trolls working for Big Pharma and other interests. Sadly, most of the mainstream media is conveniently ignoring, dismissing, or censoring–with the help of Big Tech–natural health approaches to Covid-19 immunity building and alternative treatments, issues regarding inflated “case counts” based on faulty PCR testing methods, inflated “death” counts based on an unannounced change in the normal method for counting deaths, and of course downplaying natural immunity. Recent articles and research papers show natural immunity from previous infection and recovery is robust and sustained–not requiring vaccination.
    These vaccines are not safe. To make an informed choice requires that all arguments be aired openly; unfortunately, alternative views are being censored.
    Keep up the good work.

  36. Dan Olsen says:

    It is as though previously good, thoughtful people are now acting like brown shirt medical nazis- and many of them are liberals/progressives who believe in choice for abortion, LGBTQ issues, end of life choices, etc. Yet, we should not be able to make a choice about vaccines, and if you choose not to vaccinate, you should be punished, isolated, and/or ostracized? I keep hearing that we should follow the science. Where was the science for thirty odd years while people were dying (and are still dying) from opioids? How long did the science have to evolve before tobacco and cigarettes were considered deadly? So often it is about the money and who has the power. Science is often only as good as the company paying for the research and how it is interpreted. Meanwhile, science evolves, and what was absolute is now obsolete. We don’t care to be guinea pigs in this grand experiment with vaccines.

    I have studied vaccines for years and I have decided that they are far from the panacea people have been led to believe. My wife and I decided years ago to practice a combination of allopathic and Homeopathic medicine. With that choice, we decided to not vaccinate our children, and we believe injecting foreign antigens into our bodies is not the best option in fighting disease. We try to combat illness and disease through other means such as diet, exercise, proper amounts of rest, and other proactive measures. We take responsibility for our health and the health of our kids, and we expect to have the right of choice in our medical decisions. Medicine is not a “one size fits all” paradigm. We respect the right for people to choose their medical options, and we would like to see our medical choices respected in return. Ultimately, we are pro-choice in medical decisions, and that is what a free society is supposed to recognize, encourage, and respect.

  37. David says:

    Thanks for sanity!

  38. Alice Trebus says:

    People with solid organ transplants (myself included) are being told to take the Covid vaccine. I have had many severe allergic reactions to a variety of medications, including other vaccines. I also have multiple other health conditions + do not feel it is advisable to take a largely untested “vaccine” that has been associated with over 5000 deaths + many more adverse reactions, some of which caused permanent disability. I resent being sent emails by my transplant clinic that imply it is necessary for me to take this “vaccine,” + don’t plan to take it. I want to be able to have an honest debate about this without being labeled an anti-vaxxer or a conspiracy theorist, + I want to have autonomy over my own body.

  39. Frederick Klein says:

    If the individual vaccine decision is not, as you state, a simple binary choice, why do you put the discrimination question in that category? There are, obviously, serious public health issues associated with the spread of Covid-19, so unless you agree with Dr. Atlas, it is probably not a positive development for more people to be put at risk of contracting this disease. Are mask requirements and crowd limits biased, or are they in place to enhance safety and health? What about traffic lights and signs, seat belts, vehicle inspections, public assembly regulations; are they all infringements on civil rights?

  40. Murdock Gibbs says:

    Why the hesitancy to include exemption for people who simply chose NOT to take the vaccine for WHATEVER reason, not just people from the autoimmune camp? Many have seen people injured by this experimental medicine, and remain cautious or even skeptical of the supposed “safety” of (What Dr. Fauci says) ALL vaccines. Those voices for choice should be considered just as viable for exemption as anyone else, do you not agree? Who speaks for that group?

    • Murdock Gibbs says:

      This is a great defense for insuring the health and safety of autoimmune-compromised people, but why the hesitancy to include exemption for people who simply choose NOT to take the vaccine for WHATEVER reason, not just people from the autoimmune camp? Many have seen people injured by this experimental medicine, and remain cautious or even skeptical of the supposed “safety” of (What Dr. Fauci says) ALL vaccines. Those voices for choice should be considered just as viable for exemption as anyone else, do you not agree? Who speaks for that group?

  41. Wilke Renwick says:

    There is yet another category of us who are resistant to this particular vaccine. I am not anti-vaccine. I am just not ready to accept that this vaccine is safe. Each and every individual should be free to conduct their own risk vs reward analysis. While the novel Coronavirus itself has an extremely low mortality rate, the novel design of the vaccines leaves too many questions unanswered.

  42. Sinikka Pember-Coulter says:

    I strongly believe in true science, and true science appears to indicate that there are more potential problems with the vaccines, many of them yet unknown even to those who have developed them, than there are with not being vaccinated, but using natural remedies such as vitamin D 3 and vitamin C , and zinc in appropriate doses. Having had Covid myself in November, I was able to recover within a few days by using my common sense, prayer, and the knowledge I have gained by studying the issues in depth. My 91 year old mother-in-law who contracted the virus a few days after taking the flu shot, by it reducing her cellular immunity, recovered quickly as well by following the treatments I provided for her. We have created a mountain our of a molehill by an abundance of ignorance and continual brain washing of the gullible public. Vaccines should always be voluntary, never mandated. Their safety is very questionable. The CDC and the FDA have lied to us and distorted the safety records of most vaccines in the past. I do not trust them as long as pharmaceutical companies and big money are involved in making health care policy decisions.

  43. Joanne Cali says:

    Excellent article and truthful, which, as mentioned, must be neutral and just based on science, which is complicated – not a political debate sensationalized by media and Big Tech to be bad guys against good guys.

  44. Karen Levins says:

    I haven’t had a vaccine in 66yrs, I almost never get sick. I’m pretty healthy, never smoked don’t drink but I do have osteoporosis. I eat a healthy diet, organics whenever possible, also good quality vitamin, mineral and herbal supplements. I will let my immune system do the work if I get sick. No vaccines for me. It would also be helpful to have some hydroxychloroquine on hand just in case. I have a daughter who has systemic Lupus which she claims she got from the DPT vaccine. She cannot get any vaccines, especially this one. She was a triathlete. She also has a very healthy lifestyle and is still very active living in Colorado, running up mountains, mountain biking and skiing, There is not a day she does not exercise. To look at her you would never think she has Lupus. She is a very young 50yrs old. She is taking Cellcept which is an immunosuppressant normally used as a cancer drug.

  45. Kay Ware says:

    I really, really appreciate the clarity this article offers for me. Thanks for providing language I can use in my defense.
    Sincerely, Kay

  46. Joyce Holdread says:

    Thank you for such common sense reasoning!

  47. Larry Trainor says:

    If healthy debate is prevented, there is something they do not want known.

  48. Thomas Hawkins says:

    I have an illness that makes me skeptical about taking a vaccine that was created in less than a year and No long term effects can be known being it hasn’t be around even a year. Look at all the lawsuits on TV about long term usage of medications and products they claim were safe when created and now long term effects are harming and even killing patients in some cases. I refuse to risk my health taking a vaccine for a virus that only gave me flu like symptoms when I had it. It isn’t worth the risk unless the makers of the vaccine guarantee that if there is an issue they will pay for all medical and/or compensation for loss of wages or if it were to kill me. As of right now None of the vaccine makers are taking responsibility for any adverse reactions to anyone and not compensating them. I WILL NOT VACCINATE!

  49. Robert Scott says:

    I have two patients, who between them know of four people who have died from blood clots after receiving covid vaccinations. This would seem to be vastly more fatalities than are being officially admitted, especially as neither of them, nor I, know anyone personally who has had, much less died from the virus. without accurate knowledge, there can be no informed consent.

  50. Kathleen says:

    They also are not disclosing that the immunologists are saying,(in two separate articles I read), that if you’ve already had Covid-19 you are 5x more covered by getting just one shot of the 2 shot series than some one else that didn’t have it & gets two shots.

    It’s ridiculous how vague & uninformative the government & media sensationalists are being. No wonder people don’t trust them.

    Thank You for trying to get the information out there.

    And you may think I’m a nut case, but I had COVID before test could prove it & then when only way to get one was if they let you in the hospital. I wanted to avoid hospital like the plague😉. I feel like I could have died. I think it messes with the glands & whatever controls your internal thermometer & other organs in your body relies on. My breath was actually cold at one point. Had it around 3 months, different symptoms, thought I was getting over it & boom felt like it was moving down from head … coughing couple days couldn’t sleep, trouble breathing & about 3:30 in morning thought might have to go to hospital, but tried something else 2 drops (meant to try one, but didn’t care by then) , frankincense serata In 6-8 Oz water & drank it. Cough went away within 15 minutes, could breathe again , laid down to sleep & felt something let loose in head..figured oh well, I’ll wake up, or not. It worked. I followed up with 1 drop in water 2x day for about 2?weeks, no more trouble. I read it passes blood brain barrier. Also read not take for at least 2 weeks before, or after any surgery. Maybe it thins your blood. Personally, I would use it again, only a lot sooner than I did. But I didn’t know what was wrong with me until after they announced it later. That was end of November 2019 til March 2020. Sounded different than what my daughter got in 2021.

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